Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by superdeluxe, Feb 17, 2010.
From a interested Pac-10 fan.
Anyone but Texas. UT destroys anything they get their Bevo stink on.
Austin is the only other Big 12 town worth going to. Plus UT has good academics and athletics and it'd be fun to see them in a conference where they could not dominate from an administrative standpoint.
Agreed, I don't think anyone in the PAC 10 would be strong enough to stand up to Texas, it would eventually become Texas dominated and Texas-centric like every other conference they have been in has.
Assuming CU was one of the two, I'd say UT. But UT won't be going anywhere without Aggie. UT is a royal pain to have around. They killed the SWC and are in the process of killing the B12. But UT is really the only other school in the B12 that matches the Pac 10 academically and athletically, and yes, I understand Cu is a little on the light side athletically of late.
Utah is the best candidate to go with CU to the Pac 10 IMO. UT creates way too many problems geographically, culturally, time zone wise, and their "all TX, all the time" attitude gets old...fast.
Yeah, Texas would gobble up the pac-10, But I think USC might be able to offset Texas, and balance it. I know you guys hate Nebraska, but I think they might be the only one that is viable (Brand name/research institution, although I am not sure they fit culturally).
What about the State of California? I think it would be close..
Don't many people say/think that Austin is like a island in the sea of Texas? I always hear Austin would fit culturally in the Pac.
lol. Sorry, but NU academics are a joke. You guys might as well go get Fresno St. Culture? If tractors, overalls and tooth gaps count as culture then, yes, NU has some. Didn't you see the red menace at the Rose Bowl in '01? You really want that out west 4-5 times a year?
Much rather take the fuskers than UT, but you're right about their "cultural" fit. Not even sure they know what culture is, aside from taking their girlfriends out to a McDonald's picnic dinner followed by some stimulating cow-tipping.
Even the California schools I doubt would be able to stand up to UT. Football isn't as big of a deal out in California. USC doesn't even fill up their stadium in their city. They are a good program but I don't think the fan and political support would be enough to stop UT from exerting influence.
Colorado and Nebraska. Really my only hesitation in leaving the Big 8/12 are the sentimental aspects, and nothing gets balck and gold blood flowing or boiling more than Nebraska - I'd miss it if it were gone. And I'll never be able to hate Utah more than Nebraska.
Austin is a great town, no doubt. But why do you think the SWC folded? Why do you think B12 schools are looking for exits? UT and all things TX have been forced on the old Big 8. We bailed the TX schools out when the SWC, corrupt and irrelevant, folded. Now we get the back of TX's hand at every turn, from revenue sharing to where the CCG game is. It gets old. TX like to throw their weight around. Granted, great institution, tons of $$$, and great athletics. But it's all about TX and they could care less about the health of whatever conference they are in. That's why they are a conference killer IMO.
Great points. If Colorado did jump with Utah, you guys could still schedule with Nebraska as a OOC game, sort of how you guys do it with CSU. I think Nebraska would be attainable, but like others have said..culturally they wouldn't fit. (Although I have seen their academic rankings and it looks good)
well, if it has to be another b12 team, let's review...
texas is the 1000lb gorilla. they've got the largest budget by far. and, they are the b12 school most similar to CU in terms of academics and culture. any conference would want them because of their commitment to be good at everything, including academics. they'd bring big ratings, of course. but, i don't think texas will go anywhere without texas a&m. texas state politics might make a move for ut very difficult. remember that they were forced to bring along baylor and t-tech when the b12 formed.
ou would be a great addition from an athletics perspective. and, they've got a good national fanbase. their academics perhaps are not quite up to par. and, would they be able to go anywhere without osu?
the fuskers are good in football. their academics pretty much stink. they have tradition and something of a national following (although it is fading). i can't imagine them in the p10, culturally or from an academic perspective. it would be the beverly hillbillies.
mizzery isn't going to be interested. they want to go to the b10. their academics are solid enough. but, they are looking the other way.
ku would bring great basketball. their academics are ok. lawrence isn't a horrible college town. but, again, how do they fit culturally with the west coast? not at all, basically.
okie state, isu, t-tech and ksu don't have the academics. period. ... especially ksu... i think there are jucos here in california that are more academically rigorous than ksu.
texas a&m (without ut) would be a horrible fit for the p10. how would their military traditions play at cal? gawd, that actually might be fun to watch from a purely cynical point of view.
baylor doesn't bring enough of anything in any sport to the table. it wouldn't bring enough tv sets. their academics are good.
in 94, when the p10 invited texas and CU, it would have worked. at the time, ut was at a historical weak point. they needed a conference home badly with the swc exploding. now, they are a real power, across the board, again. i don't know if they could be enticed to join the p10. i can tell you that what used to be the big 8 has been pretty much wrecked by letting all the texas schools in.
CU is the best fit for the p10 (out of the b12). other than the Buffs (and/or texas if the p10 can hit a grand slam), it seems like all the other teams would be the equivalent of round pegs trying to fit into square holes.
Honestly, I'd be shocked if CU and a second Big XII team went to the Pac-10. The Pac-10 apparently wants UT, but if they got them they'd also get aTm, which I assume means CU would be shut out. And in that case, I don't care who goes to the Pac-10... :smile2: But I don't see UT going that way, which means aTm won't either. I don't see much interest (on either side) with the other Texass schools or the Oklahoma schools. And nobody else in the north is really any kind of fit geographically. At all.
I also agree with what NavyBuff said above - I really don't want Texass to end up in the Pac-10 with us. They sank the SWC with their incessant need to run everything and spend everybody under the table. They are quickly doing the same thing to the Big XII. I don't really want a front row seat to them doing the same thing to the Pac-12...
EDIT: Or what everybody else already said. I hate getting interrupted in the middle of a post.... :sad1:
Don't kid yourself my friend - no way Cali beats TX in a pissing match about college football. Besides, Cali's broke, I don't think they'd be willing to put up the $$$$ to take TX down in court - especially over football.
TX wins hands down, especially when you have a gov. who's willing to tell someone "Adios, Mo' Fo'" during a presser.
Arnold's good, but not that good.:lol:
you know, if texas and atm went to the p10, i might feel a lot better about the b12... altho from a financial perspective it would be a disaster...
If were up to me, I gotta go with the Utes on this one. UT, and it's political pull in that state destroys everything they touch.
Liver: i think you are letting popular perception color your view of "academics". ISU is ranked higher than half the Pac 10. OU, while no world beater, is also ranked higher than WSU and OSU and ASU and possibly UO. ISU is ranked higher than MU or KU, or close, in the last US News rankings.
while Stanford, USC, Cal, and UCLA are all top schools and UW is comparable to CU...this idea that the Pac top-bottom is the left coast Ivy League where CU will take it's rightful place is vastly overstated on this board and others.
i think there's a lot of wishful thinking going with the inaccurate but consistent "academics" argument when it's more a cultural bias against the flatlanders.
i hope we make the move, but let's not overstate things.
Agreed. California schools wouldn't stand up to TX. It would be interesting to see UT in the big 10 trying to dominate Michigan or Ohio State... don't think they could pull that off. I also don't think the SEC wants anything to do with UT, but if they were to be brought in they also wouldn't be able to dominate Bama or Florida
To add fuel to the fire....at this time, UT and aTm are a matched pair if a conference move is made. The governor here (Rick Perry) is an aggy, so no way he allows UT to do anything without Aggy going too.
(Think of Ann Richards shoe-horning Baylor into the B12 in 1994, would've been Houston if not for her.)
Texas destroyed what was good about the Big 8 and that is why CU fans everywhere are anxious to bolt the Big 12. I know Utah would have a lot to live up to as CU's biggest rival but I believe it's workable and they have the same colors.
I hope the Pac-10 isn't stupid enough to invite Texas just for the sake of TV money.
I do know one thing, I would love to take a visit to Denver/Boulder
Well if the pac-10 wanted to go to 4 teams, you could some interesting situations
Pac schools are all paired up. Colorado and Utah or Colorado and Nebraska.
If I had to pick a pairing, it would be Colorado and Nebraska.
ok, fine... isu is a fine school but are they a fit for the p10? and, i do think, top to bottom, the p10 is better academically than the b12. stanford, cal, usc, and ucla are all top notch. u of o, uw, u of a are all at or around the same level as CU. asu is probably a skosh below... wsu and osu are probably a notch below that... granted, these are my west coast biased perceptions (like all my other 1000 posts on how great it would be if CU moved to the p10 :lol...
compare those groupings to the b12... none of the schools are on the level of either stanford or cal... if we are generous, perhaps ut is around the level of usc and ucla. so, yeah, i am giving extra weight to the fact that there are some real academic powerhouses at the top in the p10 and none in the b12... CU would be, at best, maybe 5th in academics in the p10. and, we are probably around 2nd or maybe 3rd, depending on how you look at things in the b12. that right that tells me a lot about the quality of the conferences academically.
academics are only one piece of it... it is about ratings and markets. it is about geographic location to some extent. it is about culture and continuity... there are lot of things that will go into the mix.
Would UT have enough pull if it was the only Texass school in the Pac10? I dunno, the 3 cali schools (and oregon with the phil Knight $$) might be enough of a counterweight to keep the pac 10 from folding to UT.
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