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If you were AD... MacIntyre's job security
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This thread scares me because it has me agreeing with certain posters...
I haven't seen anything that says Noyer is capable and still haven't seen Lytle play so; agree to disagree.
Either the QB recruiting is improving as much as Allbuffs believes or it is not. Being scared about a Montez injury seems melodramatic.
Aside from a few games here and there, what has Montez shown that leads people to believe an injury to him would devastate this team's chances?
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
I don't think that's going to be a problem-he had very little interest from anybody after 2016, and he's still going to have a record that is well under .500 for his career if we win 9 or 10 this year.
GoldenSkier
Well-Known Member
The spend money to make money is tried and true in most cases, however we gave him a really large contract with very high buyouts for the near future. Which is probably the point, MM and RG agreed to a contract that binds CU to MM for more than a year or two. I'm just not sure that firing MM and the whole staff after two down years (following a really great revitalization,) makes sense considering the previous decade of ineptness. I mean the guy had a 5-7 season after losing pretty much his whole defense and record setting QB. To me, firing him sets us back far more than it helps us, both financially and football wise. A transition class would really set this team back imo.
The AD is spending money insofar as it has funds available. 2016 rejuvenated the fan base but 2017 reminded us of our previous failings. Will enough people show up in 2018 who can help the AD meet its budget projections? Yep. It won’t likely get critical because people will still show up. It may be fewer people showing up but people will still go to games and spend money. Donations are harder to come by but they’ll still come.
There may be a tipping point, but the AD is nowhere near it in the next year or two. By then, the buyout will be a lot easier to sell to fans and easier to pay.
There may be a tipping point, but the AD is nowhere near it in the next year or two. By then, the buyout will be a lot easier to sell to fans and easier to pay.
Except for the lack of experience....
True, but that is now on the coaches to actually play them when games are out of reach. Kinda sink or swim time.
8Jah
Well-Known Member
I'd take Schiano too.
BlackNGold
Club Member
I do not agree with that at all - first Dan Hawkins did not build Boise State - BSU moved to FBS in 1996 and Pokey Allen had built the foundation(national runner up in 1-AA in 1994) for that move but died of Cancer in 1996, Houston Nutt was hired for one year and then Dirk Koeter was hired and took them to their first FBS Bowl game in his third season. Yes Hawkins was the coach when they were finally ranked but he did not build the foundation or the Program (they had 2 10 win seasons before he was made HC). Compare that to South Florida where Leavitt was the coach to start a program - they did not have football before he was there. He was hired in 1997, they moved to FBS in 2001 and were in their first Bowl game in 2006. Leavitt's accomplishment was pretty phenomenal since he build it from scratch. You cannot compare Hawkins to that. I think Leavitt has shown he can take it to the next level - From no program (and no facilities) to 1-AA, to 1-A, to FBS, a ranked team and Bowl games.
BlackNGold
Club Member
Are you guys even awake. We just upgraded our facilities supposedly second to none - that took a lot of DONORS MONEY. We broke ground on the Champion Center in 2014 and had it completed in 2015 so MM has had the past four years to use it as a recruiting tool (not much bump, IMO). You know why donors get pissed off - because of excuses and people not appreciating what other sacrificed to give them. And it was not lack of Support for the facilities in 2004/2005, it was politics and a weak ass AD.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
There's no excuse for this team not getting to a bowl. Period. Let's look at the schedule:
CSU-Middling MWC team. They've finished 7-6 in all three years under Mike Bobo.
Nebraska-Probably the 12th best team in the Big 10 (I'd put Rutgers and Illinois below them). We can and probably should win in Lincoln.
New Hampshire-FCS team.
UCLA-Chip Kelly will turn them into a powerhouse IMO, but this is the spot where you want them in your schedule. Friday night game, so I would expect a loud, fairly inebriated crowd. Winnable game.
ASU-Herm Edwards was the worst coaching hire of last year, and I'd bet money they end up in last place in the South preseason. This game is at home. I'd be concerned if we don't win this one by 10+.
USC-First game on the schedule I chalk up as an L
Washington-another L
Oregon State-That program has been a mess since Mike Riley left. This is another game I'd be concerned about not winning by at least two TDs.
Arizona-Loss
Wazzu-Somewhat of a coin flip, but they lost Alex Grinch and Luke Falk, and this game is also in Boulder.
Utah-I think every game but last year was decided by 10 or less points. Still a winnable game.
Cal-Winnable game.
If there's no bowl game this season, MacIntyre needs to go. If you follow up 10 win 2016 with back to back missed postseasons, you've got enough of a sample size to say 2016 was a fluke. Again, there's no Kevin Sumlin like clause that says he gets his money within 60 days of termination, so I'd say given that its easier to fire him if it comes to that. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but this team (and staff) will need to prove it to me. I thought 5-7 last year was unacceptable.....especially given the 3 score loss at Utah to finish the year.
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Haven't see what Vegas thinks, but I think I would set the O/U at 5.5 games.
He was just extended, 6 wins he stays, 5 wins he stays, 4 wins he might stay. This isn't about what should happen, it's what will happen. I don't particularly care for MM, but facts is facts.
Either way no one that built that Boise State program proved to be a P5 level coach unless you want to give all the credit to a 2nd year OC. You seem to be arguing for a program builder, which we don't really need. MacIntyre already took us from FCS level to FBS level and beyond in a metaphorical sense. Petersen dominated for years and years and has almost no flaws as a coach, that's what made him an elite coach.
I go back to when Sefo got hurt in Michigan. Montez steps in and was awful that day, but once he had a week to work with the first team offense, he was much more effective. I see the same kind of thing in play if Montez gets hurt this year. Plus, Montez was a RS Freshman at the time. Noyer has had more time in the system than Montez did when he was thrust into the starting job. And Lytle has the same level of experience. It’s not like we would be throwing a true Freshman out there. Noyer and Lytle both have some time in the system.
Honestly, this isn’t a huge concern for me. I’m far more concerned about the health of Javier Edwards than I am about Steven Montez.
8Jah
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The question didn't start off as who is the best coach. Petersen is a coaching legend. Schiano would be a damn fine coach.
As we don't wan't to gamble another five years on an upstart (some up and coming coordinator or a G5 coach), the question was originally posed as: who is an already great coach that we could get to come to CU. We aren't getting Petersen. I would take Schiano, but is probably in line for a major P5 job. Leavitt is desperate to be a head coach, but no one will offer him the job as he is a former child slapper. Seems to me that Leavitt is a great coach we could actually get.
ahoelsken
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Again-there's no reason why this team can't make a bowl game given the schedule. Every winnable Pac 12 game sans Cal IMO is in Boulder. A couple other things-Rick George was the one who was putting forth the expectation that the football team should be winning conference championships by..........2020 or 2021 in his strategic plan? He's risking going down with a guy he didn't even hire if MM misses another bowl and keeps his job. He's a savvier businessman than this, people. If MM goes 5-7 again, Rick George will find the money to get rid of him.
This.
Leavitt's recruiting, player development, preparation, and game planning appeared to be substantial in his brief stay here. I believe, like here, he moved the Ducks upwards in every defensive stat in year one. Comparing him to Hawkins is a fools errand.
RG has already given MM 6 years. MM isn't RG's hire. MM has had some controversy surrounding his tenure (deserved or not, its true). RG has been plenty patient.
Nah. MM rebounds to 6-6 in 2019 and we lock him down for life.
Gotta love those life contracts, amiright!
You like to operate in the extremes, don’t you?
Like, either he is fired or he is extended for life and there is nothing in between.
Did he forget the sarcasm font for you?
Totally.
None of us sit in on the meetings between MM and RG.
MM could be acknowledging lackluster recruiting because he was focused on getting other things in order (support infrastructure, academic support, changing the culture, etc) but now that those are fixed, it's time to really fix recruiting.
Or he could actually believe that the recruiting effort for the last 5 years has been acceptable, and that the only way you win without outright cheating is by building a senior heavy team that really comes together a la 2016.
I'm sort of at a point where neither philosophy would surprise me. I hope it's the former, but most of me really thinks it's the latter. In which case, we're screwed.
MM could be acknowledging lackluster recruiting because he was focused on getting other things in order (support infrastructure, academic support, changing the culture, etc) but now that those are fixed, it's time to really fix recruiting.
Or he could actually believe that the recruiting effort for the last 5 years has been acceptable, and that the only way you win without outright cheating is by building a senior heavy team that really comes together a la 2016.
I'm sort of at a point where neither philosophy would surprise me. I hope it's the former, but most of me really thinks it's the latter. In which case, we're screwed.
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Either and both of these scenarios are just excuses.