Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by MattThompson, Jul 26, 2009.
Mike Pritchard was better than all those listed on the poll. They were all excellent, but Pritchard would have put up simmilar numbers if we were in a passing offense during his career. None of those guys could have run for 240+ vs. Tennessee like he did in the pigskin classic in 1990. Pritch was RIDICULOUS. We voted him offensive MVP on a team that sported Hagan, E.B., JJ, Hemmingway. He was even a bit in Jeff Campbell's shadow in 1989, but 90 he showed out.
Pritchard was definitely a major omission, but I think I would put him at #2. I'm just not sure he was better than Westbrook. Would have been fun to see Pritchard in a passing offense though.
No love for first-team consensus All American Cliff Branch?
Good call. Totally forgot about him.
Looking at that top five, Savoy and McCoy just don't seem to measure up.
The omission of Pritchard takes a lot away from that voting list...how do you not have him on there, BUT you have Phil Savoy and McCoy? They were good, but are not amongst the top...
We do lots of research before adding the names to the list. Pritchard would have been the next on it, but it's a top 5, not top 6 list.
Omitting Branch and Pritchard is a HUGE mistake. You should research a little more. :huh:
Agree that Westbrook should be #1, he flat out dominated in college.
Pritchard played in an offense that did not let him dominate but he was a game breaker, one of those guys who can change a game on any play.
Also seems to have forgotten a guy who was a solid receiver in college on some very good teams who went on to have a pretty decent pro career, Logan.
And forgot to add that leaving Branch off the list makes the list incomplete, a football player who could fly.
Good call on Logan. He was more than solid, although it starts to get pretty tough when you add him to the mix in trying to determine a top 5.
Ah Dave Logan. :thumbsup:
Really torn between Logan and Carruth for #5. Gave Logan the edge because he played in a different era of football where the pass was not as much of a weapon as in Carruth's day, because he achieved great results with less pure physical ability than Carruth and because after their playing days, Logan became the greatest football coaching mind to grace the planet since Amos Alonzo Stagg, while Carruth became, well......
Cannot have a so-called Top Five list without Dave Logan or Monte Huber!
Logan has the best ever CU highlight reel catch: against OU in Norman, Clyde Crutchmer throws the ball about 35 yds. downfield and Logan goes up over Randy Hughes (later Dallas Cowboy All-Pro) who's got a grip on Logan and Logan snatches the ball ONE-HANDED out of the air and comes down with it! Unbelieveable personal effort!
Next best was Pritchard's 4th qtr. grab against kNU in that wet, miserable comeback in Lincoln that kept a TD drive alive and put the ball inside the kNU 20. He went up four feet vertically it seemed, to grab that ball!
Miracle in Mich-eegan is third, Westbrook had great presence of mind to grab that ball.
Oh yeah---spare me Phil Savoy! Good, but not great player, definitely not Top 5.
Agree with your rankings
Carruth had more pure speed and elusiveness, big play type of guy. On the other hand in addition to getting open and catching everything thrown his way Logan blocked like a tight end. He created a lot of yards for the running backs
I'd rate DJ Hackett ahead of Phil Savoy. Both good players, neither anywhere close to top 5 all time at CU...
Clearly there will lot's of opinions on the list, everyone thinks they know best. Speculation cannot be used as a true tool in compiling a top list, real stats are all that count. Branch doesn't break the top 20 in receiving yards, Pritchard ranks #10, and Logan is #17. You also can't sat that a play or peformance justifies being on the list...well you could but our staff would disagree. Just FYI, we polled 1,000 people in addittion to our own research to compile the list.
Branch doesn't break the top twenty in yards. Your right. But any Buff fan who has seen him play, knows he should be on a top 5 list. I guess CU had it all wrong when they named him to the all century team.
If your list is infallible maybe you should stop spamming our board for your polls. jmo.
Agreed, valdez. I wish this guy would bone out.
Just FYI, those 1,000 people were idots....
Are you guys serious? I am a diehard Buff fan and from what I can see I have added plenty of discussion to the board, what's so wrong with the fact that I post a link for a poll? Get a grip fellow Buff fans. Mr. Moderator, I didn't say C.U. got it wrong naming him to the list (all-century team) nor did I say our list was the best in the world. Relax Mr. Moderator, it's just a list and we are trying to get more opinions. Anyone who questions my "fanhood" is mistaken for sure.
That's the list. :thumbsup:
Damnit. You just had to say it one more time! :lol:
BTW, who questioned your fanhood? I just thought your list is FUBAR.
Football is not baseball, stats can help but often are no indication what-so-ever in comparing individuals from different eras or even different teams in the same era and sometimes even two guys on the same team.
By your method of reckoning then the best QBs in college football every year play at Texas Tech or Hawaii. There are better arguements to be made that in football stats are for losers. Certainly if you look at the pros when they select college players they are much less impressed with stats than with a players overall game and how he fits into a system. Of course the pro game is again different and some guys translate better than others but generally speaking those guys are paid to know what they are talking about in comparing players.
Surveys are just as innacurate if not more than simply looking at statistics. The results of surveys vary greatly depending on who and when you survey and how you present the questions. If you were to ask me who the best 5 receivers ever were at say Michigan State my response would be close to useless even if you gave me a list to pick from. I don't have any in depth knowledge of the program and can only go on general impressions of guys I may have seen play 2-3 times in college and then was not paying particular attention to. Also surveys tend to skew to the most recent, out of site out of mind is the rule. Even if you did survey guys who have been around long enough to see Branch or Logan play they are not fresh in their minds.
Based on the changes in the game and the program through the years to base it on stats is completely useless, to base it on a survey without having your methodology clearly designed to eliminate time bias and including only those with a real long-term knowledge of the program is as well.
I don't think there's anything with posting the list here. This one and the RB list have generated some really good discussion. Personally I hope you'll keep them coming, so long as you realize that they are not truth handed down by God from the mountaintop.
I don't care how many people you polled or what methodology you used, any list that says Derek McCoy and Phil Savoy were better than Cliff Branch and Dave Logan is really pure crap. :sorry:
Nor are they better than Pritchard.
And seriously, the defense is receiving yardage? As Mtn says, the game has changed so much in the past 40 years, you cannot use yardage as your single biggest indicator. This is a case of where recent memories are taking precedent.
Dusty Sprague sits at #9 on the all-time list for career receiving yardage. Does any sane Buff fan think he is anywhere near the ninth-best WR in CU history?
Apparently all this has been gone over in a super secret research lab.
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This was his 16th post. :rofl: :uglyhammer:
dude message boards are for discussion, don't post your **** on here unless you expect to be told you are wrong.
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