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We Now Take You To Tallahassee, Florida
- Thread starter Jayne Cobb
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I have the same thought, generally. To say that men don't have a right to defend themselves when punched is sexist. However, after watching the video only once, I'm left wondering if she was trying to protect herself from his aggression when she swung. Did he seem to be choking her?
I watched it a couple times. When he tries to push up to the bar she starts yelling at him and holds her right hand up in a fist. He grabs that hand and restrains her, so she hits him with her left. No choking. He hits back.
I'm mostly surprised by how non-chalant the rest of the people at the bar and the bar tenders are. This sort of thing must happen regularly or it was too loud for anyone to notice what was going on. And, that tender in the overalls can't be hygienic.
It's just dumb, walk away, smartest thing to do. It's not about it being fair, you know what will happen if you do it.
What's the drinking age in Florida? This guy isn't 21, is he? At any rate, I'm sure his attorney will use the "self defense" argument and, you know what, I bet he gets exonerated. Still doesn't make what he did right. An elite athlete should be able to handle that situation without hitting back.
I get it if she has a weapon or he's flat being attacked. That's not what I saw on the vid. Hope it was worth it for him, stupid stupid.
It may be sexist but it is the standard that society has gone with. I understand that a woman may take actions that are completely out of line but unless she is somehow a legitimate threat to the guys safety there is never an excuse for a guy to hit her. This legitimate threat would include things like her having a weapon or a group of women attacking a guy.
Normally a reasonably healthy guy should be able to defend himself from most women without having to resort to hitting. I have no problem with blocking blows thrown by a woman, if she is completely out of control I don't even see a problem with restraining her until somebody else can take her away.
In this case you have a guy who is a division 1 NCAA football player. If he can't deal with a single, unarmed woman without hitting her he is scum and out of control.
I see your point, but it is still sexist. Domestic abuse is a real very sensitive topic for me, and I will always get involved when I see it, even at personal peril. Ultimately I've got a real problem with women hitting men and hiding behind the "men shouldn't hit women" mentality. Don't hit someone if you don't expect to be hit back, is a pretty good general rule, regardless of your sex.
The above statement is unrelated to the video of the FSU player. He was already getting aggressive with the female, which creates a different dynamic. It's difficult for me to see how that one escalated, and who initiated the physical conflict.
Pretty good bit by Bill Burr...
[video=youtube;UjQnha99sTY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQnha99sTY[/video]
How many stars did he have coming out of HS? Only partially kidding. IMO if he was good enough to have a scholarship from FSU he'll catch on with someone, even if it's an FCS team.
Yep
As you said it is not related to this situation but the issue of domestic violence is one that has some serious questions around it. I will stand by my statement that a guy isn't justified in hitting a female outside of a few extreme situations.
I don't agree with the idea of hitting back but we do need to find some way of holding women responsible who think having breast gives them free reign to act out without consequences.
This leads into the issues that come with women claiming domestic abuse and automatically getting the benefit of the doubt from law enforcement regardless of the actual circumstances. There are plenty of cases when a female has initiated the conflict, advanced the conflict, the guy did not hit or otherwise try to inflict damage on her, and he still goes away in the cop car.
Beyond this is the damage done to guys by false accusations of rape or similar offenses. This can be a career and life disrupting event and the woman is rarely held accountable when it turns out to be false. These are also very damaging because they damage the credibility of reports by women who really are victims.
We do have a double standard regarding bad behavior and that isn't good for anyone.
I wonder if a $950,000 settlement will help FSU change its ways. On second thought, nope.
That's a win for FSU. Put another zero behind it and it might make a dent in the money he made for them.
My ex punched me with a closed fist one time, took everything not to floor her. Tell the cops that and they said, it don't matter what she did. She had been drinking showing up with my son late. They didn't even check after I told them she'd been drinking, go figure.
Get your sh*t together.
This started me thinking about the argument for paying the players. If the players are paid, do lawsuits like these lose their teeth and have to directed at the player? Does it make it easier to for the university to part ways with a player or avoid responsibility? I can't think of an instance where a pro player did something and the the alleged victim successfully sued the team.
How is that my fault or are you being sarcastic?
Title ix only applies to educational institutions. I believe the woman has also sued Winston as an individual, he counter sued for defamation and that case continues.
I think you are completely correct. This particular case was about the school not providing a safe environment for the woman to attain her education.
Because of Title IX the school would have to pay all scholarship athletes, not just those in revenue producing sports, cost would be huge. It would also open them up to being sued by the players under provisions of employment law.
For what?
Sorry, man. All I meant is that your life is a complete trainwreck.
Dude, this was years ago and we were separated at the time. No offense but you know jack **** about my life.
It's "Jack Schidt!" I thought we went over this already?
Don't pick on me Dbt, I do that to you.
FlatironsBuff
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So tired of the lame threats. Since the Junta won't ditch him I will put him on ignore.