wyobuff
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Yes - which is why we want to avoid the 8/9 round.....
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2013-14 CU MBB SOS Watch (OOC & Pac-12 Opponents)
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Yes - which is why we want to avoid the 8/9 round.....
cubuffs85
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Well if you believe were squarely in like many people do here, losing the next two games is our best course of action. I'm not sure how high of a seed were getting even winning the Pac-12 Tourney.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
A question for the braintrust around here - I mean that honestly since there are folks on this board who are very knowledgeable about bball - are we overvaluing our conference quality/strength?
It's easy to be a bit myopic since we see the teams frequently. And I'm not saying there aren't people outside the 12pac footprint who don't have their own tunnel vision syndrome. However, it's easy to focus on what's close. Are some of these analysts or prognosticators seeing things that we're missing?
It's easy to be a bit myopic since we see the teams frequently. And I'm not saying there aren't people outside the 12pac footprint who don't have their own tunnel vision syndrome. However, it's easy to focus on what's close. Are some of these analysts or prognosticators seeing things that we're missing?
cubuffs85
Active Member
Not saying this is the case here, but generally in sports fans tend to overvalue their own. This usually comes more into play in pro sports with trades when fans are appalled about the return they are getting for a
player(s).
SECOBuffsFan
Active Member
Since there is a definite east coast bias, I think the Pac-12 is actually underrated.
rolandftw
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I think the Pac 12 is one of the best conferences in the country. Very much on par with the Big Ten.
However, there were a lot of teams in this Conference that did not schedule tough at all in the OOC schedule. Absolutely pathetic on Utah, Arizona State, Cal and UCLA's part. Everyone rips on Utah's schedule, but UCLA's might be the most egregious of the bunch considering they are a "blue blood." About damn time they scheduled like one. Yeah, great RPI but when you schedule nobody and beat nobody in OOC, you are going to be undervalued if you play well in Conference play.
I can understand people feeling there is a bias against the Pac-12, but I have a hard time believing that when it seems many teams in this conference did not want to play marquee OOC games.
CVilleBuff
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I'm not a "Pac pride" guy but it is a very solid conference this year. In terms of depth it's so much stronger than the ACC and SEC it's not even funny. I know Cal is struggling but frankly I still think they're more deserving than a team like Missouri.
SECOBuffsFan
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ACC isn't very deep and their two top teams are in a tailspin...makes you wonder a little bit
cubuffs85
Active Member
Isn't UVA atleast one of the top 2 teams?
SECOBuffsFan
Active Member
Duke and Syracuse were considered the top two teams most of the year...Virginia has been the most consistent
cubuffs85
Active Member
Ok I get what you're saying. At this point, UVA is up there.
SECOBuffsFan
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UVA has put a great body of work together and are the best team in the ACC now
CVilleBuff
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I'd argue Virginia is the best team and it's not particularly close. Virginia has 1 ACC loss, Syracuse has 4 and Duke 5. Everyone keeps saying how UVA only had to play those teams once, have they considered maybe it's Duke and Syracuse who are the lucky ones for only playing UVA once? At this point, I believe UVA goes the deepest of the 3 in the Dance.
I wouldn't argue with that. Although, there is the factor of Coach K's tourney experience.
CVilleBuff
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I'm not going to match Bennett head to head with K on Dance experience (obviously) but Bennett has been to the tournament regularly (including Sweet 16 as head coach and Final Four as assistant) so I don't think the bright lights will prove too much. I also think UVA will go the deepest because frankly I think one of 'Cuse/Duke stands a good chance of not even making the Sweet 16. I'm just not high on either. I think an Arizona or Florida would beat either with relative ease.
SECOBuffsFan
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Its all about the matchups...but I hope Virginia goes deep...I like how they play
cubuffs85
Active Member
I was being a bit conservative with my UVA ranking. UVA did what it had to do with the cards it was dealt, I have no problem saying they are the best team in the ACC.
Now in terms of argument Duke/Cuse (as well as UNC) being lucky to play UVA only once, I agree it works both ways. UVA did get a favorable draw not having to play at Cuse, although if they had played them now as opposed to a month ago, they'd likely win there. They played UNC when they were at it's worst at home as well. You realize a lot of this is based on UVA OOC play. If they had played better during that stretch, there wouldn't be too many second guessers about them "being for real." If they win the ACC Tourney in Greensboro that should put all this to bed.
CVilleBuff
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You have to take OOC play into account, but it's not like UVA actually lost to any bad teams. (Wisconsin, VCU, Tennessee and Green Bay) will all likely Dance. Duke and Syracuse have each lost to two sub 100 teams. None of Virginia's losses are below 51.
I do think Iowa deserves to be in front of us in terms of seeding. They have more impressive away/neutral wins than us. Before we beat trees yesterday we are pretty much "home hero" team.
Whether it deserves to be 4 seeds higher or not is completely another story.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah sure, but losing to Tennessee by 30 isn't good no matter how you slice it. It's more that they lost all those games than each one on it's individual merits. I still give them credit for doing a challenging schedule, it probably helped them in the long run. They improved from OOC play, they should be commended for that. I do agree with you there the best team in the ACC. The ACC like you've said is weak this year. I think this week could silence all the doubters.
CVilleBuff
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I simply fail to see how Duke with 7 losses or Syracuse with 4 have done anything UVA hasn't. If they get seeded higher it's because of tradition and that's wrong. Duke and Syracuse each had a case before both lost to sub 100 opponents again this week.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Obviously that would be wrong, you won't get a disagreement from me there. I think Syracuse won't be seeded higher than UVA. But let's say Duke wins the ACC Tourney and beats UVA in the process shouldn't they be seeded higher, they would've gone 2-0 after all against them.
CVilleBuff
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Iowa won at Ohio State and beat bubble squad Xavier on a neutral court in overtime. Not exactly a long list of quality wins away from home.
Iowa also has 6 wins against teams lower than 250.
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Right now, I'd put UVA as the 2nd 2-seed.
Here's where I'm at today:
1 - Arizona
2 - Florida
3 - Wichita State
4 - Kansas
5 - Wisconsin
6 - Virginia
7 - Villanova
8 - Duke
That's not a prediction, just my opinion based on what teams have earned this season.
CVilleBuff
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Sorry, I have nowhere else to mention this, but I have to point out Northwestern scoring 32 in a home loss to Penn State. B1G is so deep top to bottom :lol:
Thursday, 3/6, games we care about:
First, here's the RPI around CU...
19 Oklahoma 22-8 0.6188 7 0.5908 Big12 11-6 20 Kentucky 22-8 0.6180 10 0.5874 Sec 12-5 
21 UCLA 22-7 0.6161 19 0.5765 Pac12 11-5 22 Saint Louis 24-5 0.6147 70 0.5539 Atl10 12-3 23 Michigan St. 22-7 0.6145 16 0.5782 Big10 11-5 24 Gonzaga 24-6 0.6120 92 0.5409 Wcc 15-3 25 Louisville 25-5 0.6107 90 0.5413 Aac 14-3 26 Texas 22-8 0.6096 28 0.5724 Big12 11-6 27 Ohio St. 22-8 0.6086 21 0.5750 Big10 9-8 28 Connecticut 24-6 0.6078 72 0.5528 Aac 12-5 29 Colorado 21-9 0.6075 11 0.5833 Pac12 10-7 30 Geo. Washington 22-7 0.6063 76 0.5507 Atl10 10-5 31 Oregon 21-8 0.6033 38 0.5686 Pac12 9-8 32 Memphis 21-7 0.6028 63 0.5566 Aac 11-5 33 Arizona St. 21-9 0.6005 40 0.5679 Pac12 10-7 34 St. Joseph's 21-8 0.5999 58 0.5590 Atl10 11-4 35 Brigham Young 20-10 0.5999 34 0.5704 Wcc 13-5 36 Southern Miss 23-5 0.5959 154 0.5022 Cusa 12-3 37 Kansas St. 20-10 0.5956 24 0.5739 Big12 10-7 38 Baylor 18-10 0.5945 5 0.5927 Big12 8-9 39 Toledo 24-5 0.5929 170 0.4965 Midam 13-4
Memphis at Cincinnati. We want the Natti in this one. 5pm, ESPN.
Southern Miss at Tulane. Green Wave, baby! 6pm, no tv.
Arkansas State hosts UL Monroe. Arkie Lite needs win #18. 6pm, no tv.
Jackson State at Alabama A&M. Winnable. Opportunity here. 6:30pm, no tv.
Iowa at Michigan State. Crazy as it sounds, Buffs would be in position to jump ahead of Sparty if the Hawkeyes win. 7pm, ESPN.
UCSB hosts Hawaii. Important game for UCSB. Could put them in Top 100 while getting 20th win. 7pm, ESPNU.
UCLA at Washington. UCLA win would mean the Buffs can finish no lower than 5th in the Pac-12. 7pm, ESPN2.
USC at Washington State. Really doesn't matter. There's a chance a Wazzu win moves them to Top 200 without dropping USC out. 9pm, ESPNU.
Started the night with the Cincy win we wanted. Memphis was breathing down our necks. Good one for the Buffs. (fwiw, I think the AAC teams are over-rated because their records have been inflated from having 4/10 teams suck ass, 1 - Houston - that would be about where USC is in the Pac-12, and then 5 good teams at the top getting the benefit of this to all have gaudy records.)
Not mentioned above, but it's also good for us that Villanova won at Xavier. Xavier is going to have an anxious Selection Sunday and has no shot at passing CU in RPI now.
Wow that Levine kid is really good. Ucla to win.
cubuffs85
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It would only be more B1G if Penn State scored 33.