THIS to me is rather interesting. Two in one week and THIS one on a FRIDAY early evening. Who wants to hold a meeting early Friday night?Good catch. Tomorrow evening, “Special Board Meeting (Executive Session Only)” from 5-6pm
agree it's almost certainly unusual, but wrt Friday night, I suspect most of the regents have day jobs and are used to doing their CU duties in the evenings.THIS to me is rather interesting. Two in one week and THIS one on a FRIDAY early evening. Who wants to hold a meeting early Friday night?
agree it's almost certainly unusual, but wrt Friday night, I suspect most of the regents have day jobs and are used to doing their CU duties in the evenings.
If reports are true, both initial offers are in.
Probably a couple of consultant reports on market values in each league with how various scenarios change the dollarsBig 12 and Pac 10?
Don't forget the SECBig 12 and Pac 10?
CU getting busted for insider trading.Don't forget the SEC
Canzano posted a chart with conference market sizes by cities. ACC is the far bigger market but will there be enough dollars in a partnership is the question.Probably a couple of consultant reports on market values in each league with how various scenarios change the dollars
Spit balling here roll with me - The remaining #get****ed schools declare economic warfare on the media corporations. They pool their IT resources together and broadcast the games on free platforms-Twitter, Reddit, their respective university websites, etc. Then, they create a botnet to generate clicks, ad revenue, and an appearance of viewership. FOXSPN, Apple, et al sees viewership. Profit. They can offer the broadcasts on places like Hulu and fubo, but the botnet is the key to the whole operation
If they're smart, this won't be a TV deal. It'll be a social media company or web hosting service. They already have the tech infrastructure to host it. They might need to get a broadcasting company to agree to a contracting deal (for their cameras and ****) but they'd jump on it in a heartbeat. Imagine Facebook Twitter or amazon having the broadcasting rights to a cfb game. Talk about trimming the fat schools? Well, the fat schools are looking to trim the fat off of fox and ESPN
I don’t have time to go through your post history. Can you point me out one where you were entertaining, funny, interesting, or informative in any way? I know that task is a lot, so maybe just any where you aren’t just absolutely awful? Going back to lurking might be for the best. You’ve ruined the last few pages of this thread.
THIS to me is rather interesting. Two in one week and THIS one on a FRIDAY early evening. Who wants to hold a meeting early Friday night?
It’s an update on where things stand. No action is going to be taken in all likelihoodOnly reason to have that meeting at that time if it deals with “membership in athletic conference” matters.
it's not about more people in the NE watching CFB. it's about the B1G getting additional revenue from Fox for in-region carriers vs out-of-region carriers now that the NY/NJ states are in their region.... Forgive me for not partaking in TV market talks either. The B1G has the new york market bc of rutgers!!!!!! Literally 10 people in new York are watching Rutgers football BC of Rutgers
It’s an update on where things stand. No action is going to be taken in all likelihood
Yes. Latter reportedly involves Alliance, no expansion, purchase of P12Net. Reported by MHver dude. Take it for what it’s worth. I do think this is at stage of initial offers, given P12 announcement Tuesday to begin negotiations.Big 12 and Pac 10?
I don’t think there is any question that the Charlotte market, and state of North Carolina, is the most desirable market for the big 10 and the SEC outside of landing notre Dame, Chicago and the national eyes they bring. @CarolinaBuff can probably provide more insight but I actually thought Charlotte seemed like more of a Clemson town than a UNC one but that could just be because it was football season and UNC football isn’t as popular as the actual brand itself.
no idea what the big ten thinks they need in order to capture the Denver market but I actually think it is the next best market for them. Not only is the Denver market the 16th biggest in the country but over 5 million live on the front range so that number is low and it is still growing like crazy. Also littered with Big 10 alums and college football fans, despite the issues we have talked about with CU support.
Yes. Latter reportedly involves Alliance, no expansion, purchase of P12Net. Reported by MHver dude. Take it for what it’s worth. I do think this is at stage of initial offers, given P12 announcement Tuesday to begin negotiations.
My guess is that the four corners schools will be in the big 12 by MondayOnly reason to have that meeting at that time if it deals with “membership in athletic conference” matters.
1. no, I don't believe the GoR is voided by adding new members.Is ACC GOR voided by adding new members?
If new members are signed to existing agreement without voiding GOR, then ESPN deal can be renegotiated without risk of losing big schools.
In that case, I imagine ACC would be pushing to absorb B12+P12 properties to lock in more value for long haul and also be bailed out of current cheap deal with ESPN. ACC network and East coast exposure would be great for western schools as well.
I don’t understand how the prevailing thought right now isn’t about building a new conference that combines the best brands and markets from the ACC/Pac10/Big12 that competes on the same level as the other two. There would obviously need to be a third party network involved in order to get the kind of money the other two conferences are getting, but I’m sure Amazon/Apple would be in the mix. Or, if you’re able to offer add ND and allow them to receive a higher share, you could also allow them to keep their NBC package and expand it to all their games instead of just home games.Is ACC GOR voided by adding new members?
If new members are signed to existing agreement without voiding GOR, then ESPN deal can be renegotiated without risk of losing big schools.
In that case, I imagine ACC would be pushing to absorb B12+P12 properties to lock in more value for long haul and also be bailed out of current cheap deal with ESPN. ACC network and East coast exposure would be great for western schools as well.
Charlotte is a very fractured market. And there a ton of transplants in that city, not just from points in the south, but also the mid-Atlantic region as well. Personally, I’d say the Tar Heels are #1 in that market. NC State is bigger in the Triangle, but also has its support in Charlotte too. Some people really like App State, impressively so for a smaller conference school. Duke’s popularity is usually over-weighted by people out of state.I don’t think there is any question that the Charlotte market, and state of North Carolina, is the most desirable market for the big 10 and the SEC outside of landing notre Dame, Chicago and the national eyes they bring. @CarolinaBuff can probably provide more insight but I actually thought Charlotte seemed like more of a Clemson town than a UNC one but that could just be because it was football season and UNC football isn’t as popular as the actual brand itself.
no idea what the big ten thinks they need in order to capture the Denver market but I actually think it is the next best market for them. Not only is the Denver market the 16th biggest in the country but over 5 million live on the front range so that number is low and it is still growing like crazy. Also littered with Big 10 alums and college football fans, despite the issues we have talked about with CU support.
Yeah, I think this could be as much about the ACC/Pac10 reducing the Big 12 to an effective G5 conference and removing those 12 programs from competing for CFP and recruits.If the P12 and ACC land the partnership with ESPN, that leaves Fox as the (mostly) solo bidder for the B12. Why would Fox overpay for the B12?
They’d be over a barrel just like the P12 is today with ESPN.
The monetization for the Alliance seems to be extra OOC games, championship games, expansion (perhaps) and broader distribution of P12N. If this gets into GoR is a way that voids current ACC contract, the big teams bolt unfettered. I don’t see that.An alliance, unless there are contracts, GORs, and legit $$$$ being talked about, is a waste of time. The Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC alliance was a ****ing smokescreen.
I’ve tweeted this at Wilner like 18 times.I don’t understand how the prevailing thought right now isn’t about building a new conference that combines the best brands and markets from the ACC/Pac10/Big12 that competes on the same level as the other two. There would obviously need to be a third party network involved in order to get the kind of money the other two conferences are getting, but I’m sure Amazon/Apple would be in the mix. Or, if you’re able to offer add ND and allow them to receive a higher share, you could also allow them to keep their NBC package and expand it to all their games instead of just home games.
Create the only true national conference with brands and markets that are on the same level and profit massively.
Right, ok. Stats 101 was hard I guess
Step 1 Normalize the variable
Avg viewership per team that year (we'll be extremely generous to the pac 12 teams)-
Washington 2.5 mil + wazzou 750k
OU 3 mil + WVU 500k
Iowa and corn 1.5 mil each for a total of 3 mil
Step 2 Test association
The apple cup included teams who average 3.25 mil any other game (lol) and 4.7 mil for a gain of ~1.5 mil viewers
OU vs WVU avg 3.5 but got 5.7 mil viewers for a gain of 2.2 mil
Do you see where I'm going with this genius?... Using absurd numbers for the pac and realistic for NU vs Iowa (700k gain) the story is a little different. Using the real avg viewership for UW and WAZZU, lets just say it's 1.5 mil and 350k respectively, that would mean an extra 2.3 million fans tuned in for that game...I'm guessing a few of them are SEC fans. Lol, nice try
I'll get to them but you're missing the point, it's not a theory (in layman's terms). I proved it using the most basic of statistical measuring and the numbers you gave me yourself.
FOXSPN doesn't care about the apple cup because every other pac 12 game is crab grass. They see the games that do well and they're are all ooc games. What they fail to realize is all those miss state bama games that get 5 mil viewers... no one outside of those teams fan bases are watching unless it's an upset and the viewers are 75% bama fans. They think that getting USC vs tOSU will get rose bowl numbers ie each teams fan base plus every cfb fan. Yeah, good luck with that. USC fans are the biggest bandwagoners in cfb. Texas and bama getting cotton bowl numbers!? No, if I cared to watch bama curb stomp someone, their game against vandy is as good as any.
The corn CU game in 2019 had nearly 1.5 million more viewers than USC UCLA in 2019.
Another big jump for "Big Noon" on FOX
For the second-straight week, "Big Noon Saturday" delivered a big increase in ratings on FOX. Army-Michigan soared 66% over last year.www.sportsmediawatch.comOregon-ASU top Pac-12 conference game of season
Arizona State's upset of Oregon generated the highest ratings of the season for an intra-conference Pac-12 game. Meanwhile, USC-UCLA hit a multi-year low.www.sportsmediawatch.com
Sure, no comment...dare I say...fif!?it's not about more people in the NE watching CFB. it's about the B1G getting additional revenue from Fox for in-region carriers vs out-of-region carriers now that the NY/NJ states are in their region.
it may look ridiculous to see games at Rutger's small, empty stadium compared to OSU or PSU's nearly full 100k stadiums, but the B1G is happy cashing Fox checks in the $100's of millions if that's the cost.