Official Michigan State/Mel Tucker Hate Thread

[MiamiBuffs]

I think your take is silly. Contracts have 2 or more parties. One party is rarely allowed the discretion to say what the terms of the agreement mean--that's what courts are for. It was always obvious that MSU was going to say the firing was "for cause," because any other action made them contractually liable for the $70+ million. Them saying it doesn't make it true. It's exactly the situation Michael Scott was in--he can say that he's declaring bankruptcy, but it means nothing until a court grants him bankruptcy.

I'm pretty sure that MSU and Tugger will settle this case for an 8-figure payout and that the settlement agreement will state that he was not fired for cause. When that happens, I will not return here and post clown gifs--because I understand that it's foolish for someone to ascribe some moral dimension to decisions made by entities like MSU and Tugger.

I. Cant. Help. Myself.

 

[BuffsNYC]

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

Tucker is a POS, but he shouldn’t go down like this.

I don’t want to victim blame anyone, but how the hell is an alleged gang rape survivor who is teaching young people how to respond, prevent, and deal with such actions and situations act so casually/irresponsibly when the supposed call occurs to her.

She knows the impact of supposed people like that like the back of her hand, but she just chose to stay silent and risk potential further victims. She also erased all of her texts with him, so I have a hard time believing that someone who believed that they acted righteously would do something like that.

Speak up right away, not many months later when the accuser cuts off all contact with you for airing their dirty laundry.

Honestly, this seems more like a jilted lover who is trying to get a bag and retire while ruining the guy’s life who ghosted her in the process.

 

[NWD Buff]

Tucker is a POS, but he shouldn’t go down like this.

I don’t want to victim blame anyone, but how the hell is an alleged gang rape survivor who is teaching young people how to respond, prevent, and deal with such actions and situations act so casually/irresponsibly when the supposed call occurs to her.

She knows the impact of supposed people like that like the back of her hand, but she just chose to stay silent and risk potential further victims. She also erased all of her texts with him, so I have a hard time believing that someone who believed that they acted righteously would do something like that.

Speak up right away, not many months later when the accuser cuts off all contact with you for airing their dirty laundry.

Honestly, this seems more like a jilted lover who is trying to get a bag and retire while ruining the guy’s life who ghosted her in the process.

Dude, stop. This does not end up well for you.

 

[Darth Snow]

Tucker is a POS, but he shouldn’t go down like this.

I don’t want to victim blame anyone, but how the hell is an alleged gang rape survivor who is teaching young people how to respond, prevent, and deal with such actions and situations act so casually/irresponsibly when the supposed call occurs to her.

She knows the impact of supposed people like that like the back of her hand, but she just chose to stay silent and risk potential further victims. She also erased all of her texts with him, so I have a hard time believing that someone who believed that they acted righteously would do something like that.

Speak up right away, not many months later when the accuser cuts off all contact with you for airing their dirty laundry.

Honestly, this seems more like a jilted lover who is trying to get a bag and retire while ruining the guy’s life who ghosted her in the process.

IF you don't want to do something, don't do it. Otherwise people will think you are full of ****.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Yah, I am really stumped by this whole branch of thinking. I should just leaf it alone

 

[FlaBuff]

Yah, I am really stumped by this whole branch of thinking. I should just leaf it alone

Stick to your beliefs

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

IF you don't want to do something, don't do it. Otherwise people will think you are full of ****.

Two adults having consensual phone sex is not a big deal. Not consensual is an entirely different issue, but there’s no proof yet and it’s just a, “he said, she said” so far.

Trust me, I want to believe her so bad! I just need some evidence…accusations many months later and purposefully deleted text messages don’t do enough for me…I’m sorry!

 

[Darth Snow]

Two adults having consensual phone sex is not a big deal. Not consensual is an entirely different issue, but there’s no proof yet and it’s just a, “he said, she said” so far.

Trust me, I want to believe her so bad! I just need some evidence…accusations many months later and purposefully deleted text messages don’t do enough for me…I’m sorry!

I'm sure you do. You sound super trustworthy

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

I'm sure you do. You sound super trustworthy

Yeah let’s just bury the guy and pretend that false accusations never happen.

If Tucker is proven guilty in a court of law or pleads guilty then yeah…throw the ****ing book at him!!

Otherwise, I thought one of America’s greatest freedoms is that you’re innocent until proven guilty.

Or are we just doing things like banana republics and presuming people are guilty until they’re proven innocent?

 

[Darth Snow]

Yeah let’s just bury the guy and pretend that false accusations never happen.

If Tucker is proven guilty in a court of law or pleads guilty then yeah…throw the ****ing book at him!!

Otherwise, I thought one of America’s greatest freedoms is that you’re innocent until proven guilty.

Or are we just doing things like banana republics and presuming people are guilty until they’re proven innocent?

Are you reading what you are responding to or just going on a rant confirming you are full of **** in order to deal with your own insecurities?

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Yeah let’s just bury the guy and pretend that false accusations never happen.

If Tucker is proven guilty in a court of law or pleads guilty then yeah…throw the ****ing book at him!!

Otherwise, I thought one of America’s greatest freedoms is that you’re innocent until proven guilty.

Or are we just doing things like banana republics and presuming people are guilty until they’re proven innocent?

I think this has all been covered extensively in this thread and another one. You're barking up the wrong tree

 

[Darth Snow]

I think this has all been covered extensively in this thread and another one. You're barking up the wrong tree

jesus you ****s aren't even trying anymore. Get some new material.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

jesus you ****s aren't even trying anymore. Get some new material.

Just trying to get to the root of the conflict here doomer

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

I think this has all been covered extensively in this thread and another one. You're barking up the wrong tree

I’m sorry if I might have missed something in the last 32 pages of this thread.

It’s just sad though, Tucker leaving us like an absolute asshole doesn’t justify our fans celebrating his downfall.

Kinda like Coach Prime’s response to the Blackburn hit…I think we should be above that and just focus on us while nothing is settled or proven.

However, when concrete proof comes out and he’s convicted, it’s all fair game!

 

[Go Buffs]

I’m sorry if I might have missed something in the last 32 pages of this thread.

It’s just sad though, Tucker leaving us like an absolute asshole doesn’t justify our fans celebrating his downfall.

Kinda like Coach Prime’s response to the Blackburn hit…I think we should be above that and just focus on us while nothing is settled or proven.

However, when concrete proof comes out, it’s all fair game!

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

 

[goalline]

Just trying to get to the root of the conflict here doomer

Darth Doomer seems like a good username change.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

I’m sorry if I might have missed something in the last 32 pages of this thread.

It’s just sad though, Tucker leaving us like an absolute asshole doesn’t justify our fans celebrating his downfall.

Kinda like Coach Prime’s response to the Blackburn hit…I think we should be above that and just focus on us while nothing is settled or proven.

However, when concrete proof comes out and he’s convicted, it’s all fair game!

What is sad about a 51 year old man deciding to feed the chickens, for 36 minutes like a psychopath, while on the phone with a woman he hired to train kids and staff on women's rights and sexual assault, at the school that is paying him $90 MILLION guaranteed (unless he gives them cause for firing him)? Dumb, I'll grant you.

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

What is sad about a 51 year old man deciding to feed the chickens, for 36 minutes like a psychopath, while on the phone with a woman he hired to train kids and staff on women's rights and sexual assault, at the school that is paying him $90 MILLION guaranteed (unless he gives them cause for firing him)? Dumb, I'll grant you.

Extremely dumb! That’s why it’s, honestly, hard for me to believe.

Mel is a lot of things, but he’s not dumb! I really feel like he thought it was consensual (granted, he might have been erroneous/presumptuous), but this only came up after Mel cut the accuser off of all of her perks at MSU. Then, they both decided to erase all of their texts with each other for *reasons*.

Given the accused’s previous history, her current profession, and the current social climate, if there really was an issue, she should have known to bring it forward ASAP.

You can say whatever you want, but you can’t deny that there are questionable aspects to her allegations.

 

[Darth Snow]

Extremely dumb! That’s why it’s, honestly, hard for me to believe.

Mel is a lot of things, but he’s not dumb! I really feel like he thought it was consensual (granted, he might have been erroneous/presumptuous), but this only came up after Mel cut the accuser off of all of her perks at MSU. Then, they both decided to erase all of their texts with each other for *reasons*.

Given the accused’s previous history, her current profession, and the current social climate, if there really was an issue, she should have know to bring it forward ASAP.

You can say whatever you want, but you can’t deny that there are questionable aspects to her allegations.

Honestly, you seem like you make questionable declarations about your intent.

 

[PAHIBuff]

Extremely dumb! That’s why it’s, honestly, hard for me to believe.

Mel is a lot of things, but he’s not dumb! I really feel like he thought it was consensual (granted, he might have been erroneous/presumptuous), but this only came up after Mel cut the accuser off of all of her perks at MSU. Then, they both decided to erase all of their texts with each other for *reasons*.

Given the accused’s previous history, her current profession, and the current social climate, if there really was an issue, she should have know to bring it forward ASAP.

You can say whatever you want, but you can’t deny that there are questionable aspects to her allegations.

Tugger’s behavior really has him out on a limb.

However, I wouldn’t go so far as to necessarily assume that she’s playing him for a sap.

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

Honestly, you seem like you make questionable declarations about your intent.

My only intent is to not convict someone before they’re proven guilty. Honestly, I have zero stock in Mel and think he’s a POS.

If he’s guilty, I’ll be the first one in that thread ****ting on him. However, I don’t think we’re there yet though…that’s all I’m saying!

 

[Darth Snow]

My only intent is to not convict someone before they’re proven guilty. Honestly, I have zero stock in Mel and think he’s a POS.

If he’s guilty, I’ll be the first one in that thread ****ting on him. However, I don’t think we’re there yet though…that’s all I’m saying!

You are white knighting for a real POS while lying about your intentions. What does that make you?

 

[JonSergeantMajor]

You are white knighting for a real POS while lying about your intentions. What does that make you?

Are you serious?! Haha and I’m the one white knighting…sure buddy!

Enjoy your conflict-free roast while you look down on people from your ivory tower…feels mighty good when you’re a perfect human that has never ****ed up before, huh?!

 

[cu3x]

Tucker is a POS, but he shouldn’t go down like this.

I don’t want to victim blame anyone, but how the hell is an alleged gang rape survivor who is teaching young people how to respond, prevent, and deal with such actions and situations act so casually/irresponsibly when the supposed call occurs to her.

She knows the impact of supposed people like that like the back of her hand, but she just chose to stay silent and risk potential further victims. She also erased all of her texts with him, so I have a hard time believing that someone who believed that they acted righteously would do something like that.

Speak up right away, not many months later when the accuser cuts off all contact with you for airing their dirty laundry.

Honestly, this seems more like a jilted lover who is trying to get a bag and retire while ruining the guy’s life who ghosted her in the process.

I think it reveals a lot about her, that she knew of his romantic feelings and did nothing to end the situation. This from a champion of women? Did she forget about MT's wife and children.
I find her behavior very inconsistent with how a real victim would have reacted. And, for reasons unknown here, the gang rape that launched her career as an advocate and teacher, was never prosecuted (and that involved college football too.

 

[cu3x]

Dude, stop. This does not end up well for you.

If an unscrupulous woman wanted to run a scam, this is a perfect way to do it.
You give no reasons or explanations to back your statement. You just posture as a tough guy. Great.

 

[BuffsNYC]

Two adults having consensual phone sex is not a big deal. Not consensual is an entirely different issue, but there’s no proof yet and it’s just a, “he said, she said” so far.

Trust me, I want to believe her so bad! I just need some evidence…accusations many months later and purposefully deleted text messages don’t do enough for me…I’m sorry!

A person’s testimony is competence evidence in every court in the land.

 

[PAHIBuff]

I think it reveals a lot about her, that she knew of his romantic feelings and did nothing to end the situation. This from a champion of women? Did she forget about MT's wife and children.
I find her behavior very inconsistent with how a real victim would have reacted. And, for reasons unknown here, the gang rape that launched her career as an advocate and teacher, was never prosecuted (and that involved college football too.

There are old news stories about it on the web. She declined to press charges (i.e. she declined to cooperate with the DA). It’s depressing/sad to read. Says she regrets not doing it. Sounds like she was in a pretty shocked state of mind as you’d imagine. Not much support around. Young divorced mom of 2 at the time. Oregon State Univ, 1998.

 

[Darth Snow]

Are you serious?! Haha and I’m the one white knighting…sure buddy!

Enjoy your conflict-free roast while you look down on people from your ivory tower…feels mighty good when you’re a perfect human that has never ****ed up before, huh?!

Yes. Are you running low on weird stereotype burns? Conflict free roast? Does that mean something in the cesspool you crawled out of?